Where have all the racing discussions gone?

[Steve Bailey]

I just got sorted on rec.motorcycles.racing again in the last year
after quite a few years away. Where did everyone go? Has racing
gone that much downhill in the last few years? I mean well the AMA is
a National club race. Good for Ben to move on when he did or he would
have been dead career wise like all those who stuck it out.

That being said I am sure that there is still some good racing
happening somewhere we can talk about. Rossi has finally made the
Ducati dream team move that has been speculated for like forever.
Either it will bear fruit or he will be the victim of his own games
(Sete eat your heart out) as first Casey and now Jorge have shown
Valentino to be mortal.

Casey back with Honda. Hmm. Seems to be a match made in heaven if it
works or the hell it always is if you aren't rider #1. Casey has been
there. He played the game. Who is the #1 Honda rider? Time will
tell.

Nicky. Well he is finally making the Duc work for him. Will Rossi
screw the development for him or will he fix the stellar one day turd
the next Ducati that has threatened to ruin careers or make heros of
its riders.

Hope this sparks some discussion or else we will all have to go back
to using the internet for it's true use surfing porn.

Steve

[gearsau]

Nicky.  Well he is finally making the Duc work for him.  Will Rossi
screw the development for him or will he fix the stellar one day turd
the next Ducati that has threatened to ruin careers or make heros of
its riders.
Hope this sparks some discussion or else we will all have to go back
to using the internet for it's true use surfing porn.
Steve

Nicky making the Ducati work for him ??
He is a rider good for 4th to 6th place..Thats about all.
Look at his history and how many races has he won..

[Champ]

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 09:17:45 -0700 (PDT), Steve Bailey

Post by Steve Bailey
I just got sorted on rec.motorcycles.racing again in the last year
after quite a few years away. Where did everyone go?

Usenet is generally dying. Everyone is moving to web based forums
(which I detest).

Post by Steve Bailey
That being said I am sure that there is still some good racing
happening somewhere we can talk about.

Oh, sure.

Post by Steve Bailey
Rossi has finally made the
Ducati dream team move that has been speculated for like forever.
Either it will bear fruit or he will be the victim of his own games

Part of the fun of anticpation is thinking about which way it could
go. I'd love to see him win races on the Ducati; a championship may
be beyond him now.

Post by Steve Bailey
Casey back with Honda. Hmm. Seems to be a match made in heaven if it
works or the hell it always is if you aren't rider #1.

I don't necessarily think it will be down to who's #1. Casey's way of
working at Ducati was very specific, and quite unusual. Much will
depend on how his team works with him.

Post by Steve Bailey
Nicky. Well he is finally making the Duc work for him

Yeah, so he can finish somewhere south of 4th...

[Julian Bond]

Best race of the day yesterday, Moto2. By some long way.

In fact that was one of the best races involving axe murderers I've seen
since the bad old days of WSS around 2000.

Watch it.

[Champ]

On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:15:21 +0000, Julian Bond

Post by Julian Bond
Best race of the day yesterday, Moto2. By some long way.

I've not watched the 125s yet, but I agree that the Moto2 race was
amazing.

Post by Julian Bond
In fact that was one of the best races involving axe murderers I've seen
since the bad old days of WSS around 2000.

heh.

The 'Elias Incident' was perhaps the best almost-but-not-quite hail
Mary pass I've ever seen.

Post by Julian Bond
Watch it.

Seconded

[sturd]

Post by Champ
The 'Elias Incident' was perhaps the best almost-but-not-quite hail
Mary pass I've ever seen.  

Can't believe nobody has mentioned Loreno's save while
trying to punt, I mean pass, Simoncelli.


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

[Julian Bond]

Post by sturd

Post by Champ
The 'Elias Incident' was perhaps the best almost-but-not-quite hail
Mary pass I've ever seen.  

Can't believe nobody has mentioned Loreno's save while
trying to punt, I mean pass, Simoncelli.

Or Bradl on Sofuoglu.

[Champ]

On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:19:12 -0800 (PST), sturd

Post by sturd

Post by Champ
The 'Elias Incident' was perhaps the best almost-but-not-quite hail
Mary pass I've ever seen.  

Can't believe nobody has mentioned Loreno's save while
trying to punt, I mean pass, Simoncelli.

Good point!

Actually, the really surprising thing is that Lorenzon even tried that
move - it was so far from being do-able. If he'd brought them both
down it would really have tarnished his reputation.

[sturd]

Post by Champ
Actually, the really surprising thing is that Lorenzon even tried that
move - it was so far from being do-able.  If he'd brought them both
down it would really have tarnished his reputation.

Teevee dudes here seemed to think Lorenzo was shaking
his head at Simo after. I'm betting he was shaking his
head at himself, "sheesh I can't believe I pulled that
bonehead move and got away with it".


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

[Champ]

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:14:42 -0800 (PST), sturd

Post by sturd

Post by Champ
Actually, the really surprising thing is that Lorenzon even tried that
move - it was so far from being do-able.  If he'd brought them both
down it would really have tarnished his reputation.

Teevee dudes here seemed to think Lorenzo was shaking
his head at Simo after. I'm betting he was shaking his
head at himself, "sheesh I can't believe I pulled that
bonehead move and got away with it".

Yep, that was exactly my take on it. I often shake my head at myself
(well, I used to) when I made mistakes on track.

[sturd]

Post by Champ
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:14:42 -0800 (PST), sturd

Post by sturd
Teevee dudes here seemed to think Lorenzo was shaking
his head at Simo after.  I'm betting he was shaking his
head at himself, "sheesh I can't believe I pulled that
bonehead move and got away with it".

Yep, that was exactly my take on it.  I often shake my head at myself
(well, I used to) when I made mistakes on track.

I still do, all the time, trying to get some corner on the back
yard flat track right and screwing it up. Or at the local MX where
it's even easier to screw up (damn kids and their jumps). Stakes
way lower, just trying to have fun.

Even more often it's just general day-to-day stuff I no longer
seem competent to perform.


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

[Champ]

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:13:55 -0800 (PST), sturd

Post by sturd

Post by Champ

Post by sturd
Teevee dudes here seemed to think Lorenzo was shaking
his head at Simo after.  I'm betting he was shaking his
head at himself, "sheesh I can't believe I pulled that
bonehead move and got away with it".

Yep, that was exactly my take on it.  I often shake my head at myself
(well, I used to) when I made mistakes on track.

I still do, all the time, trying to get some corner on the back
yard flat track right and screwing it up. Or at the local MX where
it's even easier to screw up (damn kids and their jumps). Stakes
way lower, just trying to have fun.
Even more often it's just general day-to-day stuff I no longer
seem competent to perform.

Ha! Ain't dat de troof. Getting old sucks.

[sturd]

Post by sturd
Even more often it's just general day-to-day stuff I no longer
seem competent to perform.

Ha! Ain't dat de troof.  Getting old sucks.

Beats the alternative, I hear.

At that point in the turn he would not have seen Simoncelli, he was
looking up the track.

Whatchoo talking bout? Dude was right in front of him.


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

[Michael Sierchio]

Post by sturd

Post by Champ

Post by sturd
Even more often it's just general day-to-day stuff I no longer
seem competent to perform.

Ha! Ain't dat de troof. Getting old sucks.

Beats the alternative, I hear.

Post by Champ
At that point in the turn he would not have seen Simoncelli, he was
looking up the track.

Whatchoo talking bout? Dude was right in front of him.

He's on the other side of the bike, looking up the track.

[Champ]

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:57:47 -0800, Michael Sierchio

Post by Michael Sierchio

Post by sturd

Post by Michael Sierchio
At that point in the turn he would not have seen Simoncelli, he was
looking up the track.

Whatchoo talking bout? Dude was right in front of him.

He's on the other side of the bike, looking up the track.

You're kidding, right? He followed Simoncelli into the corner - he
couldn't possibly have forgotten that he was there.

[Michael Sierchio]

Post by Champ
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:57:47 -0800, Michael Sierchio

Post by Michael Sierchio

Post by sturd

Post by Michael Sierchio
At that point in the turn he would not have seen Simoncelli, he was
looking up the track.

Whatchoo talking bout? Dude was right in front of him.

He's on the other side of the bike, looking up the track.

You're kidding, right? He followed Simoncelli into the corner - he
couldn't possibly have forgotten that he was there.

I think he was being optimistic, he thought he had gotten by. I'm
just suggesting that he wasn't trying a Mika Kallio punting
manoeuvre. Simoncelli closed the door, fine aye right.

[Michael Sierchio]

Post by Champ
Actually, the really surprising thing is that Lorenzon even tried that
move - it was so far from being do-able. If he'd brought them both
down it would really have tarnished his reputation.

At that point in the turn he would not have seen Simoncelli, he was
looking up the track. Still, no question from the objective view
that Simoncelli had the right to take any line he wanted.

And it was an *amazing* save, and really cool that he came back
from 8th to win.

- M